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Welcome to this podcast series on teaching and learning brought to you by the Center for Faculty Excellence.

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I'm your host, Michael Babcock. In this episode, we are joined by Nina Mondré Schweppe, an instructional designer in the center.

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Thank you for being here today. Thank you for having me. I'm super excited to be part of this podcast project.

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Well, I'm wondering if you could share a little bit about Universal design for learning.

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My interest starts at some point in grad school with my background in language acquisition pedagogy.

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understanding what cuts were in, you know, in sidewalks or automatic door openers.

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But beyond that, I had no idea. And I spent a lot of time in grad school trying to figure out how we learn the nuances of language and

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how we understand things like subtext or complex contexts of concepts and interpretation of concepts.

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And trying to figure that out became sort of a focus of my grad research.

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side of arts and science over the years, and it's how my students learned that was really interesting to me that no class is the same,

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even if the subject matter is the same. And, you know,

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getting an insight into how my students sort of put the information together in order to

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be successful kind of is how my interest in universal design for learning came about.

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And over the years, my students have taught me how to be more curious about how they learn,

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about their background, about their interests, about their strengths.

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And that's given me the encouragement to kind of figure out how to create and design a course

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that does incorporate these sort of official guidelines of universal design for learning.

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Those are basically it's a learner centered design where students have multiple ways of engaging with information.

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That means as an instructor, you developed several different ways to present information and content,

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allow students to demonstrate what they know and express what they know and how

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they've learned it in multiple different ways so that they can reach the goal.

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And along the way, getting to know your students also allows you to minimize the barriers that they face, whatever they might be.

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Everything from language to what's going on in their home life,

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or if they're working several hours and not necessarily getting enough time to study whatever the case is,

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those barriers can be everything from ability to to sort of life environment sort of things,

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and then creating the sort of environment that allows them to learn as much as they can in the way that they're able to learn it,

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which is very different for everybody. Well, and I know, you know, we were we were talking to Ken in another podcast,

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and this whole notion of active learning has become so important and so different than how a lot of us as faculty probably experience college,

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where the professor would just get up and lecture and now we're going through through your work and workshops, you're doing that.

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There really are better ways to engage with students and meet them where they're at.

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So what are some of the so what are some of the things you do to make this work?

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I mean, how do you how would someone get started if they're not doing this now?

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I think one of the things that I always suggest is take some time at the very beginning of a course to get to know your students,

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get to know the students who are in your courses.

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There's a lot of information that you get from knowing the kinds of students who are in your department or the kinds of students who are sort of,

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quote unquote, typically take the kinds of courses that you teach, whether that's because they're required course,

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if it's a freshman foundational course or an upper division course,

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you kind of have a sense of who is in your course and getting to know who's actually taking the course that semester,

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even though it seems like it takes a little bit of time to get to know kind of where students are at in terms of their ability,

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what kind of background knowledge they're bringing in, what their strengths are, what their interests are.

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Gives you a chance to kind of reconfigure the information and give you a chance to meet the different students

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that you have in your class in a way that they're more likely to learn or to kind of spark their enthusiasm.

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Yeah. Nina, I know you're actually teaching, of course, right now. So can you share with us sort of how you did that when you started your your class?

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Is it techs and critics is after teaching, It is texts and critics,

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texts and critiques is a is the honors college sort of first year foundational course.

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This is the second semester.

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So it's primarily fiction, which gives students a lot more chance to be creative and and kind of express themselves in a more.

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Creative way than the first part. Mm hmm. So one thing that we did this semester is there are about 17 students in the course,

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and we took the time to kind of do a bunch of different little games to kind of playfully get to know each other.

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One of the foundational components of a course like Texan clinics is being able to speak to each other, being able to have a conversation.

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And it's really hard to have a conversation and be honest and open if you don't know the person who's sitting next to you across from you.

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So creating different ways for students to kind of meet each other and get to know each other.

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Some of those could be what, you know,

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everybody who is interested in music go to one side of the room and that gets students up and out of their seats and moving around the classroom.

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And then it breaks it into other little bit. What kind of music is that, you know?

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And from there, you can take it into a bunch of different directions. Students also have really great ideas about what they like.

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So letting students to kind of figure out what could be fun for them to give students agency.

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And it also creates a different energy in in the classroom, especially during that first week when everybody's sort of getting to know like, Oh,

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this is not how we did it last semester, or like, Oh, I don't know you at all,

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but I think you kind of funny and maybe I'll test the waters a little bit. Sure, that makes it fun.

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Well, and you know, those are smaller classes. What about some of the larger classes that faculty are, you know, a class of 100 or more?

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You know, we I know Ken ran a faculty learning community on working in that environment.

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So so there are things that you could do with a large class to try and make those connections.

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There are a lot of things that you can do in a larger class. It's just that you won't necessarily as an instructor or professor,

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you necessarily have access to all of the outcomes of that think pair shares, you know,

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where you get students to turn to a partner and talk about something amongst themselves and

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then share out into the bigger into the bigger group is something we do in a smaller group.

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You can also do that in a bigger group. Instead, though, what you might want to do is think Pare and instead of share, connect to another group.

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So each group gets to connect repair. Right.

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So they get a chance to have a bigger conversation with more than just the two people that they were initially having a conversation with.

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Now, what you want to do as an instructor, as a professor, to kind of figure out what the outcome of that is,

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you could build that into a low stakes assignment or something where they have to

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hand you an index card at the end of the class so that you can kind of gauge,

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you know, sort of get a bigger picture of where everybody's at. But it's definitely something that you can do in a bigger group.

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Oh, I like that. I mean, I think you're also going to build community, right, because they're going to start talking to each other.

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And it seems like students tend to sit in the same places in those those classrooms.

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So they're going to build those little communities there. Well, that sounds great.

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What about what were other things that instructors can do?

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I know representations important, right? Thinking about different ways to present the information.

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I mean, what are what are some ideas there? There are lots of different ways to present the same information.

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I think sometimes we have this expectation as instructors that there's, you know, something we've been thinking about for a long time.

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It's our area of expertise. Presenting it once and leaving it there sometimes feels like enough.

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And I would have to say that in my experience and in most students experiences, it's never really enough.

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So being able to present content material in different ways, sometimes that could be a reading, which is often the case.

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Well, and is there another way that you can present different components of that same information?

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Maybe a video, maybe something audio, maybe something more tactile?

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Any way that you can kind of reconfigure the information that you want students to get in different ways.

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Sometimes students will have a really easy time reading a text and getting the main points that they need to get,

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and that doesn't work for every student. There is, you know,

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a different way that maybe being able to share that information and learning from each other is a better way to for some

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students to get the main points or to feel more confident that they're getting the information that they need to be successful.

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So being able to present the content in a variety of different ways and being really explicit and direct and clear about

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what it is that students are supposed to be getting out of that content is also really important because it creates a goal,

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and being goal oriented makes that reading more important, let's say, or significant or more meaningful.

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Well, and so, you know, this feels like this could be a little bit of work on the instructor's end.

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But can you talk about what it was like? I mean, once you started putting this into action, did it make teaching a better experience for you?

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I mean, obviously this is helping the students, but from the of.

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Perspective of the professor is this approach making their jobs more interesting and and, you know, valuable?

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I think it I think it does. Or at least for me, I can only speak for myself.

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So when we talk about backward course design, for instance, creating the goals and asking yourself,

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what do I need students to get out of this in order for them to be successful?

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Whatever that measure of success happens to be, is it successful in this course?

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Is it successful to move on to the next level? Is it successful in ways to apply beyond the classroom,

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creating those clear goals for yourself in terms of learning outcomes beyond just the Bloom's taxonomy verbs?

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Having a clear goal. What is it exactly that I want students to get out of this course?

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By the end of this course, students will be able to learn or express the skills and knowledge, whatever it is that you want them to get.

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Knowing that from the from the get go really allows me to figure out, like, how am I going to get students to get there?

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How am I going to measure what it is that they have learned? How are we going to be able to tell?

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How are they going to be able to tell that they are successful, that they have achieved those goals?

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And the way that you create the different learning activities and experiences along

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the way are really in some ways determined by the people that you have in your class.

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Allowing students have a little bit more agency, but everybody knows what the goals are and how you get there can be variable,

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and then how they're going to be assessed is also a way to be okay.

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This is a clear trajectory from point A to B, and I think that makes teaching much, you know, in a way more focused.

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Does it take more time and does it take more preparation? In a lot of ways, yes.

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And then also allows you to be more flexible based on the students that you have.

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Right. Yeah. Well, we're just about out of time now, and I want to thank you for it for sharing this really important message.

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If faculty want to learn more about this and I'm trying to get you to make a plug about the center here.

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So. So what are some resources that faculty have if they want to learn more about about this technique?

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Anybody who has any questions at all is welcome to attend any of the workshops that we have.

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Thank you, Nina.

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So in addition to workshops, you can also set up one on one appointments with our instructional designers that can talk you through some issues.

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So we're we're there to make you be successful. So reach out if you need help.

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Well, thank you, everybody. Bye. Thank you.